Hey folks, and welcome to Drinking Alone with Friends, a podcast with three, sometimes, but two definitely friends drink alone together. My name's Todd. And I'm Obert, someone who's definitely Todd's friend. This is true. Some would say best friends right here, just you and I. Yeah, we've really separated the cream from the non-cream on this podcast. Yeah, yeah, you know, just some people's hearts aren't in it, it's just not there. Yeah, we only bring pure passion every other week here to you at Drinking Alone with Friends. Todd and Obert, all cream edition. I don't even remember the other guy's name. Was there ever another host? I got so. I had to go back to the archives to figure it out. Yeah, I mean, if only we had like a historian, but even then they'd have a hard time finding somebody else's. Right. You know, somebody else that was on this podcast. Maybe Kiwi, she was here at some point. That's right. That's right. Yeah. You know, Jenna, she was here. There's always Jordan. The great, the greatest co-hosts, really, that you could ask for. I mean, Dan was on the podcast at one point, Nick too, Jason. We've got a whole history of vocational guests, some of which I'm sure would have been happy to be on tonight's show if they had had some more advanced notice. But you know, we're here. It's an intimate pod. The two of us just drink at beers along with friend. Yeah. I will say, you know, it's nice to have power. It's nice to have internet. Yep. Both things that you need to record a podcast. Yeah. It's just, it's just, I think it's a requirement where you just, you need to have those things, you know, and good thing we don't live in like, is it Kentucky or Kansas, where the Wizard of Oz took place? You know, I'm alone on that farm in the middle of nowhere. Like you don't want to live there. It's not a good place to grow up. Yep. There's tornadoes, all kinds of stuff. You want to live in like the Northeast where it's like nice or like Montana. Like, you know, when I think of Montana, I think of a place that is densely populated has power everywhere and great internet. I think of that high speed broadband. Yeah. Like, yeah. Almost like the technological leaders of like the country, the Montonians. Yeah. You know, we don't want to be anywhere near like, you know, higher education places like No. They just use up all the tubes. Yeah. Like UNC, Duke, like they don't need power. They don't need internet. Like that's, who cares? Right. Yeah. Now we have plenty broadband as far as the eye can see out here in the great state of Montana. You know, makes it easy to record. Whenever, whenever you need to record a podcast, I can do it. Yeah. I mean, and it's, you know, the best part about Montana too, it's also not hot. So even though you have power and air conditioning, like, you know, you don't really have to use that air conditioning because it never gets that hot. It was hot when you were here. You got to admit that when you were here, my air conditioning was not working. That is true. And it was a, it was a bummer. It was a serious bummer. I submit that I wonder if it would have been, if you had like a, like you, so you live in the condo and your condo is, you know, kind of a ranch style condo, if you will. One floor. Right. I wonder if you had like a townhouse condo set up where like you could open up the back door and the front door and cause like a cross breeze. I wonder if your condo would have been that hot. Yeah. No, I think you're right. I think the no cross ventilation, uh, doesn't help here, but it was also smoky when you were here. So like, you don't want to open up, get all the smoke inside. That's true, but it did smell like barbecue all the time. Yeah. It's delicious. So maybe you wouldn't mind the smoky smell because you'd be like, oh, August is the tastiest month to be breathing air in Montana. Yeah. For sure. Go, you know, every time you wake up, you just smell ribs and you're like, oh, I can go for a nice rib right now. Some, some nice mesquite, perhaps that sounds like heaven, like you live in heaven for one month of the year. It just smells like cooked meats. It does get a little old when you don't get to eat the cooked meats. Uh, I'll admit, but it's true, but you could solve this by getting. A smoker. That's a good point. You've been smoking anything lately? Uh, no, not yet. It just became really nice this past weekend. So we've got to work. We're in June now. So it's officially summer season of the podcast. You know, we're here to bring you shorts, t-shirts, tank tops, some cool brews, you know, get out the beach ball, volleyball. I did buy a new grill in time for this season. So Costco had a Weber grill on super sale and then the manager had a discount for $100 even more off. So it was usually a $1,200 grill that I got for just about 50% off. Nice. So Weber 10 year warranty. I've inaugurated it. You've tried it out yet? No, because I've got to build the fucking thing. Yeah. And that's the downside of buying things from Costco is that you then have to do your own labor. It's like IKEA. If IKEA sold you like name brand things. Well, but the plus side is once you're done assembling it, then you can like make yourself a tasty burger or something. That's true. Tasty burgers, some steaks, some ribs, some brisket, a ham maybe if you will. I never grilled a ham. I just thought about it. Smoked you could smoke a ham. I don't know if I ever thrown a ham on a propane grill, but a charcoal grill I would throw a ham on. Yeah, I could see that. I never done it, but you could do it. Yeah. Yeah. I think you could smoke any meat. What meat wouldn't be good smoked? Well, I feel like you got me. They're all good. They're all good meats. Like not even like a fish. Like you smoke salmon. People smoke salmon all the time. Like it's a thing. Maybe like a tilapia. Maybe that would be a white fish. A smoked helmet. Yeah. But I don't know, you could smoke a lot of stuff, but you could drink a lot of stuff too. And that's what we like to do here on the podcast. It's true. Well, you know, best friend, would you like to drink first? Oh, you know, you're too gracious, Todd. I would be happy to. So let me go find out what we're drinking tonight. It's beer 30 and I'm thirsty. I've been working like a dog all week long, so maybe something cold won't hurt me because it's beer 30 and it's time to party. Yeah, baby. Okay. So all this cookout talk got me really aching for a nice light summer beverage. So I have from Kedahaus Brewing Company, one of their new line of hard seltzers. This is the raspberry lemon flavor. I had one that was called Pog that I wanted to get for Chris. It was like passion fruit, orange guava. But you know, the co-hosts who shall not be named, I mean. Jordan? But they didn't have that in the singles case. So I got this raspberry lemon instead. I don't know if this is a new offering from them, but it's definitely a new can. I think they did 12 ounce seltzers. I think this is the first time I've seen them do the 60 ounce offering. What do you prefer? So it's a tough question. I feel like with seltzers, 12 ounces is fine because when I'm drinking seltzers, it's more of a quantity type of a game where I'm going to be throwing back four or five of these, no matter how big the can is. So 12 ounce can slows me down a little bit, you know? Okay. I could see it. What about you? What size seltzer? I think, you know, I kind of prefer the, uh, the, like the white claw, like shaped can, which is like the 12 ounce, but they're the skinny tall ones. Yes. Yeah. The skinny, the skinny tall 12 ounce cans. They just seem more crushable. I don't know what it is. They're just so tiny. Like, and maybe it's just because I have big hands or maybe, maybe they are just tiny cans, but I feel like there's, there's so much bigger and I'm like, oh, or so much smaller. And I just feel like, I feel, I guess more manly drinking a girly drink that's, that makes my hand look like it's massive. I think that's what it is. I could see that logic. Um, I will say though, you know, I know that they now have special koozies for those size cans, but like, we already had 12 ounce cans that everybody knew what size they were. And I already have a million koozies of why'd they have to go and invent a new 12 ounce can? Like, that's true, but they start, they sell like the metal one, like the metal Yeti's now, not, not Yeti brand, because Yeti would make you buy three different size can metal koozies, but you can get a coot, a metal Koozie that is like a Yeti and it has a little puck that, that's full of like ice that goes in the bottom. So you could fit a 16 ounce regular can and then it also has a sleeve that you can stick on the inside and put your 12 ounce skinny can inside. So you're using the same koozie for all three cans. Yeah, like I said, I know there's solutions out there, you know, but if I'm hot swapping beers at a party, now I got to, what am I going to do with this little insert that I, you know, I guess, but anyway, I poured it. An eagle would see you clear as day through this beer from six miles away. Maybe I should have gone the other direction. What's something that's blind, like a bat would see you through this beer. Ice are famously blind. A one eyed mouse would see you a mile away through this beer and by beer, I mean seltzer. It does have a little bit of a raspberry lemon coloring. It looks almost like a rosé shade, but a little bit more lemon colored than that. So if you're thinking P, you're not wrong. I could see this someone's P looking this color. I was going to say it looked like something that I did earlier today. Yeah. On the nose, you get that fresh raspberry smell. Yeah. Right. CD raspberries. Oh, I even says the ingredients on the side, water, sugar, lemon puree, natural flavors and yeast. I guess raspberries covered under natural flavors. Maybe I was going to say, so there's no rat, absolutely no raspberries were harmed in the making. Zero raspberries. I see two percentages on here. One is 5.3. That's the ABV. One is 1%. That's the amount that goes to support the Montana Forest Fund. But nowhere on here does it say what percentage of fruit is in here. It does say made with real fruit, but no idea how much. But okay, I'm excited. Diving in. Cheers. I like beer. It makes me a jolly good fellow. I like beer. It helps me unwind and sometimes it makes me feel mellow. We need a seltzer remix. If any of our musically inclined listeners want to make like a techno vibe trance, I like seltzer. Well, it could be like the Doss Boot one. We need like a white girl to like sing it and sound like a valley girl. Okay. But until we get that drop, I guess I like seltzer slash beer. As far as the flavor goes, I think about this one. We know it doesn't have real raspberries. Doesn't have real raspberries. As I would say in the flavor department, there's not much. Little is the rating I would give this, which is how I feel about a lot of these seltzers. It's been a long time since I've had a white claw, but I would say this is even less flavor than the average white claw, probably. I wasn't expecting a ton, but I was expecting more than this. 149 calories, by the way. I mean, it is the seltzer though. Seltzers generally, I know you live in Montana now and not on the East Coast, but if you remember what seltzers were like when you're on the East Coast, it's like seltzers are kind of flavorful, but they're not like the most flavorful thing you ever drank in your entire life. Right. Yeah. Maybe I shouldn't have poured it out too. Maybe a lot of the flavor was still in the can and drinking it in a glass. Or back in the can. Now, I think that's a toothpaste that you can't not go back in the tube. I think it only goes one direction. Disagree. You could get a funnel. No, the flavor has been released into the air. It's not like you can just get it back in the can. So you're trying to catch a ghost? Exactly. Kind of disappointed. Glad I went with a single on this one, because if I bought a six pack, it would be December and I would be having three of these in the fridge sale. And then that would mean on episode 550, I would be drinking 17 year old Kettle House hard seltzer. That's pretty. You're basically saying that it's terrible tasting and like you wouldn't just randomly drink them. That's I guess it's kind of an indictment. No. Yeah. This is, like I said, cookout beverage, like lawn games, beverage for sure. No, it's so much lawn mowing beer because this is like, I want to crush these, right? But I'm not trying to crush, get hammered while mowing my lawn, like playing. I think you're mowing your lawn the wrong way. Ted's lawn has all these like curved lines in it. Just to get increasingly sloppier as the lawn mowing goes on. You have one of those beer helmets. Put it this way. If you were waking up to smoke some nice, you know, smoky meats to kind of, you know, circle this whole podcast back. It's like eight AM and you're up to, you know, you put your, put your brisket on at two AM, you've gone to sleep for a little bit. You're like, all right, I got to wake up, check the brisket, you know, might as well have a nice little, little beverage. The problem is it's too bubbly. Like that time in the morning, I don't need all these bubbles. It's very carbonated as the seltzer should be. But like I'd rather go for like a KBS, you know, from founders, nice little breakfast out. You're not trying to be, you're not trying to get sloshed at eight AM either. Like you're not like, oh, okay. It's time to, it's time to drink. Right. Right. Like you've got a long day ahead of you. These are all the reasons why if I had a six pack, it would live in my fridge forever. Now if I was, this is really, okay, this is a river beer and by beer, I mean seltzer. This is a beverage that when you're floating, you want to have a lot of these handy. Um, definitely a river beverage. So Kendall house, I got to say that me and you can agree on that. Um, but overall, this is a three, no, two, seven, five, two, seven, eight. Wow. Yeah. That's in like never buy it again territory. I don't know. Two and a half is never buy it again territory. It's close. This is, I'm willing to try the other flavors. What other flavors are there? Well, I mentioned the passion fruit orange guava, which I would imagine has more flavor. Maybe. But what if they only have passion fruit in it and the rest is natural flavors. They didn't use real oranges. They didn't use real guavas. Um, possible, but I won't know until I try them. So maybe I'll have, maybe I'll have it on as a pregame in the future. Another kettle house, hard seltzer, because they also have one of the most gorgeous music venues I've ever seen in a Bonner, Montana, where the kettle house amphitheater is. Hey, I'm surprised it's called Bonner. I thought it was called boner. I'm shocked that you, the guy who insists on calling it, but it is a hundred percent but, but anyways, um, I've seen, uh, Goose has played a show at kettle house. I told you to go, I told you to go down there and witness it. And you said, no, no, no, I don't like that music venue pass. Yeah. That's probably an exact quote from me. I love the music. I would be willing to drive the three hours to get there, but, uh, the venues is too pretty outside. The lawn is too steep. Everybody has too good of a view of the stage. The beers are too reasonably priced. I want to go to a place where I can't see anything from the lawn and I'm paying $20 for a Bud Light. Should have gone to see Goose then. You're the one who clearly made a mistake. I know. Well, okay. So two seven five, leaving room for redemption. You know, you've had, I think both you and Chris have had these mixed pack of seltzer type things. And sometimes there's just one flavor where you're like, this one sucks. That is true. I'm hoping that's what the raspberry lemon is. I guess the rest of them are made with real fruits. Right. If you're saying raspberry lemon, you can't be just lemon. You have to do lemon and the raspberry. Does it even taste like fake raspberry? Like is it like? It does. It tastes like fake raspberry. Yeah. That's not good. That's when you start. Cause if you do that wrong, it starts to taste like robitussin. Yeah. We're kind of there. We're kind of there. Um, I don't have a lot of positive things to say about this, but then I'm going to give them another shot because I know Kettle House makes amazing beers and I have faith that they can make good seltzer. All right. Well, two seven five is my rating. What do you think the other 16 people who have checked this in on that thing is? Oh boy. Does it give you an average? Yeah. Okay. Tell you what, Todd. This could be as low as my rating, although I think that would be like the lowest average you've ever seen on the show. It could be a four and a half. I'm in real lose a point territory here. You definitely are in lose a point territory. It's the 16. It's dangerous waters here and it's tough because with only two of us, I have, you know, much better odds to get a point on the board. Yeah. You could be a point off and technically still, you could lose a point and gain a point. You could break it. Oh boy. Um, it is hopeless for me to try and divine with these 16 people thing because all it takes is one person to go from a two to a five and my guests to be way off. I got to say 3.25. So you lost a point. No. Yeah. I'm just messing with you. Um, you really had me worried. I really believed it was a three and a half point to five on the board. I was smart. And I was like, this is one where you guess the exact increment because it could just line up that 16 people were at the, we're in the quarters and eighths territory here. So point two five, not the best, but the closest whole guess I could get away. So correct. So I'm going to write it down. I'll put it on the board, but definitely room room for Todd on, on here tonight. Yeah. Um, let's see how I do. Okay. All right. So my beer this week is from a brewery that we've never had on the podcast before. At least that I don't think we've had on the podcast before. I always love a new brewery around these parts. And it's con, I'm going to butcher this town's name. Well, I guess, you know, no, it's fanatical right there. Conch Oh Hawken Brewing Company. Concha Hawken. Concha Hawken. Interesting. Concha Hawken is a sub is a suburb of Philadelphia. That's got a real filling name to it. Concha Hawken. Concha Hawken. Very Pennsylvanian. So yeah, I was in town and I was in Philly two weeks ago and I went to this brewery, Concha Hawken Brewery, because everybody said it was really good. I'd never heard of it before. So I was like, well, shit, might as well, might as well go check it out. I got a nice little flight. I got a set of chicken tacos for dinner. Big salad. It was good. And I decided to take a four pack with me so I could review one of the beers that I hadn't had on the podcast. And OK, one of those beers was the beer that I have here. It's the. So you got a mixed four pack or four of these? No, I asked if I could do a mixed four pack. He said, no, they only sell them in flat four. So I got a flat four pack of this. OK, so this is the Concha Hawken IPA. This is their 10th anniversary edition because it's their 10th anniversary. Which I was surprised that there was a brewery that had been around for 10 years in Philadelphia that never heard of. I'd never seen it distributed. Nothing. But what it says is the 10 year India Pale Ale is an homage to the first IPA we ever brewed 10 years ago, built on a firm malt foundation with a blend of 10 of our favorite hops since it's our 10th birthday. This throwback IPA is citrusy piney with a subtle hop spice finish. Cheers to 10. So I asked the guy and he said it's more west coast than it is hazy. They don't call them New England IPAs either. They call them hazy IPAs. That's because it's Pennsylvania and they have a big chip on their shoulder that they're not in New England. Yes, exactly. Well, especially the Philadelphia side, like the Pittsburgh people, I think they'd rather be part of Ohio. Yeah, yeah. This puppy weighs in at 6.7 percent ABV and the brewery has its slogan on it, which says, go where the path takes you. And their logo, I don't know why, is a guy on an old school bike. Like a penny farthing bike. Yeah, I just wonder if is it like supposed to be Benjamin Franklin? Is Benjamin Franklin originally from Concha Hawking? Maybe Concha Hawking invented the bike. Maybe. You know what? While I while I pour this beer, we should probably look this up. I'll do it while you pour. I don't know if it's going to be hazy or not. So I type in Concha Hawking bike and Google says, did you mean to say, is it illegal to ride your bike on the sidewalk in Philadelphia? And it is unless you're under 13. But if you're a 13 in a day, you got to get out that sidewalk. I will tell you this, this smells like one hell of a West Coast IPA. I smell nothing but hops. I didn't even get the whole rest of the thing in my in my glass. And the head is just it's growing. Oh, wow. Yeah, that's a that's a crisp pour. All right. Who? It is growing and growing and growing. It's very it's a very firm head, though, if you will. It's not like spilling over the glass. So we're going to give it a minute or two to die down while we research what the hell is up with the Concha Hawking bike. Yeah, I like they have a beer named Ring the Bell. Seems like the bike is kind of their logo in general on all of their beers. Yeah, no, that's definitely their logo. I mean, it's it's on all of their their walls. It's on everything. Well, shipped to you free shipping on orders of $75 or more. Orders can only be shipped to Pennsylvania. So never mind unless you're living in Pennsylvania. Luckily for me, if I want more, I have the ability to I had the ability to get more because I'm in Philadelphia so often now. Con. Well, I don't know if this is the answer, but I did come across this article about 10 craft breweries to visit by bike, according to Philly cyclists. And Concha Hawking is apparently a beer loving cyclist dream because it's located right off the I don't know how to say the river. The school school. So he's pronounced that. I you're asking the wrong if you want me to learn how to pronounce something. Well, you just were talking about how you're in Philly all the time. And I feel like they say the name of that river all the time. I think it's the Skookle River. Anyway, right off the Skookle River Trail, the brewery in Tap Room's location is 12 mile ride from Center City, perfect for a light workout rewarded by a beer. That's pretty cool. Yeah. I know that all the all the folks in Philadelphia in the surrounding area call it Concha, instead of Concha Hawking, because they don't want to say the whole town's name. I could see that. But it does have a very nice downtown, very walkable. This is a little off the beaten path to get there. But still, I guess Concha Hawkins are really a very relatively safe spot. Fun fact, the first time I went to Philadelphia with my new job, one of my employees and my boss were like, hey, you want to go out to a bar after we were already at a drinking festival. So we went to a local pub and like a dive bar, like a legit divey dive dive bar. And we did shots until 3 a.m. It was just a random like Tuesday. So Concha, you know, keeps in my mind, keeps the Philadelphia image proud that these guys are out there drinking till you know, 3 a.m. on a Tuesday, throwing back shots. Head sounds sounds like the kind of town that like greases their light poles after like game three in a seven game series or something. Oh, I could see that. I mean, the head did not die down on this at all. So we're just going to jump in. You're going to be living with a head for the rest of your life. On the nose, it does smell like lemongrass, citrus, like that, like a light citrus smell and definitely pine. It smells like a West Coast through and through. Kind of excited, not going to lie. I hope it's good. Let's find out. I drink the beer from the glass, but that's boring. That's good. Oh, yeah. That's more likely to be boring. I have the German accent and so of course I love beer. But how much can you hold? And it's my drive. And it's my drive here. That's good. So listeners, we want something like that but for seltzers. Yeah, for you free to sample our voice, you have a couple hundred episodes to find good samples. Yeah, exactly. On the mouth flavors, the most important flavors, it is very bitter. Definitely, definitely a West Coast beer. I would say it's not as good as like a like a Sierra Nevada torpedo. Like it's it's got a little bit more bite to it than that does, which is odd because the torpedo has a lot of bite, but it also has like more citrus flavors to it like that. Interesting. Yeah. And it's not like a pinpointable citrus flavor. Like I almost want to say lemon and that's kind of weird. It tastes like they brewed it with 10 different hops. So I want to throw out some beers and I want you to tell me like hot or cold or kind of idea like. So I'm thinking like stones, arrogant bastard. Kind of I'll say not as lukewarm, not as bitey as arrogant. How about a Sierra Nevada celebration, the fresh hop? No, I think Sierra Nevada fresh hop is a little bit. Yeah, cold. You're closer to arrogant bastard. How about a what's the beer? I'm thinking of from the people who do the Voodoo Ranger series. New Belgium. Yeah, I don't know. I feel like they ever since they went to the whole Voodoo Rangers IPAs, I don't I don't know their IPAs anymore. But I'm trying to think of some good classic West Coast IPAs. Well, like like there's Magic Hat, Harpoon. Yeah, well, they have Harpoon has the Leviathan IPA. That's their like 100 IBU offering. I would say that this is closer to like your standard Harpoon IPA, like on that bitey level. OK, maybe Magic Hat. I'm drawing a blank on what their IPA is. It's not number nine. It's is it just Magic Hat IPA? Is that what it's called? I don't know. I don't know. I've had Magic Hat a brewery. Yeah. I think I need to go find some Magic Hat. They still sell Magic Hat. They don't in Montana. I can tell you that much. I don't know if I've seen it in Connecticut. Oh, I'm going to look this up. I got to figure this out. How about like a Pliny, the elder more bitey? Like I said, it's kind of on that like Harpoon meets like if arrogant bastard in Harpoon IPA had a baby. OK, I think that's kind of what this is, where it's it's got kind of like that weird citrus flavor that you can't quite pinpoint, which reminds me a lot of Harpoon. But it's got kind of like that bitey-ness of like arrogant bastard. So I think I missed it. Now, when you said it tastes like they brewed it with 10 different hops, is that because they did it with 10 hops for the 10th anniversary? Or you're just saying they have a bunch of different hop profiles. It's hard to pick one out. No, it definitely says they used a blend of 10 of their favorite hops. And that's why I was like, OK, it just seems like there's like a mishmash of just like there's so many different flavors happening that it's hard to be like, oh, I picked this out. Oh, I picked that out. It's just everything all at once. They probably threw them in at the bittering stage is what I would imagine. So it's just everything is just used to bitter this thing up. And it is it is bitter. Is it like a 90 minute? Like a fresh 90 minute, maybe. OK, like not a 90 minute that's been aging for years and years and years. Yeah, but more 90 than 60. I think it's kind of like a I think a good and I was going to say a halfway, but that's one 20 minute. It's kind of maybe like a like an 80 minute, eighty seventy five minute. I don't why don't we bet beer exists, but I think it's like a halfway point. This wouldn't be the first time that I didn't know of a Dr. Fish beer, the head dogfish head beer that actually existed, that we thought we'd be invented. I bet you there's there's got to be a 75 minute IPA. Well, yeah, I will unchapt it or 69 minute IPA because, you know, why not? Right. I should point out that this thing was I did I did see it on the can. It's it's not on the bottom of the can. It's on the side. It was canned on April 12th, 2024. So just over a month ago, not only does Dr. Fishhead have a 75 minute IPA, but five of my friends have checked it in. So I should tell you that also it lights up like a light bulb. Oh, yeah, super bubbly. This is two. This is two beers in a row that I've had played up like a light bulb, but you're not being found in it. You're blinding whatever's coming after you. Did I check it in? Did I check the 75 minute in? You have not. No, I feel like I would have known if a 75 minute existed. Right. Yeah. No, eighty eight thousand people have. But well, if I find you or not, I find it, I'll bring it on. I also got to see if they still sell magic ad. Anyways, going back to the Concha Hawke and IPA 10th anniversary edition. It's not my favorite. Um, I think there's too much going on. You know, I generally do like West Coast IPAs. I think that they are they're very underappreciated style of beer. Now, I think Hazy IPAs, especially in New England, all we get is Hazy IPAs. So when somebody makes a nice West Coast style IPA, I'm generally going to try it. And if it's good, I'm probably going to like it because it's just a style that we don't get as much of. This, unfortunately, is not a good representation of a West Coast style IPA. I'd rather have a torpedo, a pale ale, an arrogant bastard, a stone IPA, even a ballast point like Sculpin. Those are better to me than this. So having said that, I'm going to give it a three to five. Kind of upset that I have three more left. It's going to be a rough three beers. However, I will drink them because I can't keep this in my fridge forever because they, they're not going to, they're the longer they wait, the worse they're going to taste. And three to five is still drinkable. It's just not right. They had other beers there too, which is kind of upsetting because I'm not giving a good review of the brewery. The brewery had on my flight, all the beers I had were great. I had a sour, um, a hazy IPA, a bourbon stout and a logger. And I started with the logger and kind of worked my way through a logger fruit that went IPA, then I went stout and they were all excellent. The log, I was like, really, I was really shocked that the logger was as good as it was. I was like, oh, this contra hock and IPA is going to be delicious. It's not, I will bring another, I will bring a better representation of contra hock and brewery the next time I have them. So they're coming back. They are going to come back. They were, they were, they were good enough for me to buy a four pack. Like I was right. I'd say in something. Yeah. I don't, I don't generally get to take that on a train. Had to take on a train. I had to pack in my bag. I generally don't buy beers when I travel anymore. I generally don't buy beers at all anymore because I have so much beer, but in particular, traveling makes it more difficult. But I did it. I'm a little upset and I feel like I have to redeem it. Yeah. That's again, high feel about the kettle house. Similar. Both of these are aching for redemption. Yeah. And it was a cool, it was a cool brewery spot. Like the, it looked like you were walking into like a, like a business. And then you walked in the back and they had this nice little brewery kind of run down a little bit, kind of what they were going for. And it opened up with a big garage door out until like a, like a yard. And then there was like the train tracks ran behind it too. So you saw like the train come by every now and then it was very nice. And then on the other side of the train tracks is the, the, the river that you said this skull kill river, river was right there. So you could see the river in the background and the train and the brewery. It was a cool spot to hang out and giving me real, uh, Stony Creek vibes. No, much more, not as fancy. Okay. Picture like for those, this is going to be very niche for, for Obert and I, um, and other people who grew up with us picture. You know, the, the, the mills in Taffel. Yeah. You know, like pictured that, except for not as not as much glass, right? But you know how like behind there, the train track ran and then the river was right there. Yeah. There's no brewery there. Yeah. But yeah, that's, that's what this was like. That's, that's the vibe where it was like, kind of run down where it was like, it could use a little bit more money invested in this to kind of clean it up a little bit, but it had kind of like that dirty, scruffy, filly vibe to it too. Yeah. I went to a filly brewery, I think it was called like brotherly love or something like that, um, some kind of Philadelphia name pun. It was also in an old mill building. And I love, I mean, maybe it's just because of who I am and where I'm from, but I have a soft place in my heart for old mills turn into breweries. Oh yeah. There's a use for it. I mean, it's definitely, it's, it's a good use to use those buildings. Who does a Nami Nami in Middletown? Oh, um, stubborn beauty, stubborn beauty. I mean, first, I'm sure they've cleaned it up since I went there a few years ago after they opened, but you walk in and you're just like walking through basically like mill detritus. It's like there's no shutdown 10 years ago and was, no one has walked in since. And, uh, you just walk through this like old, old mill building to get to a cool little tap room. Um, and I liked that. The last time I was there, it was, it, they had not changed a thing. Um, yeah. And it's still what this, like you still walked in there and like, as soon as you walk through the door, like all like their grains are sitting there, kind of like out in the open, not in the brewery, then you got to walk through the doors to actually get in the brewery. Yeah, it's, it still was a vibe. Um, I'm going to have to go back there pretty soon and check it out. It's been a while since I've been to Middletown. Um, and I know like rule of three is over there now. And, uh, there's another brewery over there and Forest Hills is there. There's a lot of little breweries right there right now. Sounds like you got a lot of your to-do lists drinking wise this summer. Yeah. There's a lot of breweries in Connecticut now and a lot that I'm just, I would love to get to. It's just, it's, you know, when I can go to a place down the road and get just as good a beer, like driving that far just doesn't appeal to me as much as it used to, I guess, like I'd rather go somewhere closer where I can drink and then, you know, be close to home. Well, I think no matter, I think everybody can relate to this. The best music ever made was when you were in your teenage years. Like best video games ever made were when you were a teenager, right? Or like a young teen, uh, the best breweries that exist are the ones that you went to when you were in your early to mid twenties. And like, it's like, because that's when you were drinking the most and going out and having fun, you know, staying out late, whatever. It's like, it doesn't matter the quality. Like that time will make it that much better. That's, you know, I think people are always like, oh, you know, back when I was that age, that was when the music was the best. Like, no, you were just at the perfect age for it then, you know? Yeah, agree. So anyway, there are not 16 check-ins on this beer. Okay. There are 62 check-ins. It took me, sorry for that long, long digression about the brewery and what all that, but I, I couldn't spell concha-hawking for the life of me. So I only closed it up. Yeah. Concha-hawking. Concha-hawking. Um, 62. I, well, I have no idea. I absolutely none. I don't know what concha-hawking's, uh, reputation is. I just know that some of my coworkers were like, Hey, you should go to this brewery, like thought some of the beers were pretty good, but there was a lot of people there and it was a random Wednesday. So like them having people on a Wednesday at eight o'clock at night. Like it was decently pat, like speaking of biking clubs, a running club ended their meeting at the brewery and like they were all, they're getting drinks and getting some food and getting some water after going for their run. Um, but it's been around for 10 years. So that means they have to have some type of hot pipe. I'm going to play it safer than usual. I'm going to go three, seven, five. That is safer than usual. And it's good enough to get you on the board because the average is a 3.69. Wow. So even lower than that, I was like, you know, I thought three, seven, five. Obviously a safe guess, right? But yeah, I didn't know whether it was going to be higher or lower. Like it is a very weird beer. Um, I can't picture that they brewed this very often. I know it was their first IPA when they opened up 10 years ago, but beer tastes change, obviously a lot in 10 years. I mean, think about 2014 was when they opened that means right. So like sip of sunshine was like a big thing. Like that was the beer of the moment. Well, one thing that I am gleaning from gleaning from the results on untapped here is that they seem like the type of brewery that never brews the same beer twice, or I should say that in those 10 years, they've produced 400 and 411 different beers. Um, so I like breweries that do that, that never rest on their laurels. They're not, you know, going through the same beers over and over again. They're always trying something new. But I think there are some breweries in Connecticut, you know, that, you know, we like that I like, um, that, you know, they, they only brew the same 12 beers. One, right. One that we've mentioned on this podcast already is very guilty of that and never brews anything else outside of that, that standard 12. Um, you know, are they an enemy of the pod brewery or are they in a cool mill brewery? They're, they're in a cool mill brewery. Um, and it's just throwback, throwback for our ancient listeners. Yeah. It's just part of the reason I don't go is because it's just, they don't, right. They don't do anything to bring me in. You know, there's also some local breweries like near my house that, you know, we've had on the podcast in the past and you know, they, they don't really make it again because they don't, they don't brew anything different. Like, I don't, I don't know. I guess if I had a brewery, like I feel like I'd always want to experiment and I feel like some breweries don't. So I'm glad to know that Contra Hawkins, one of those that next time I go in, maybe I'll hate all their beers. Maybe I'll love all their beers, but at least I know that there's a reason to go. Yeah. You gotta wonder, I mean, we're biased. We have a podcast where we, the number one criteria is it has to be new when we talk about beer, um, or new to us. But there are definitely people who like to go and get the same thing every time. Or there are people brewers who like to just dial in the recipe and, and once they have something that they know works, they like to repeat it. And, uh, I think, again, we're biased because that's not our thing. We're always looking for something new. I've had this conversation with a friend of the podcast, Labyrinth Brewing Company, um, because they have, obviously they have their standard beers that you're, no matter what, you're always going to walk in and you're going to see turbo love juice, like it's, it's their flagship IPA. And so I've talked to that and about like, like, you know, that and that type of whole mindset because they also come out with like new brews and they always do like a pilot batch. And they're like, well, this is pilot, pilot beer, number 475 or whatever. Um, and you go online and you give them a review of what you think of it. Well, that's cool. I'm like their website. Yeah. They have a QR code that's like, Hey, if you try this, like scan this QR code and give us your, your feedback on, Oh, I like that a lot. And it will ask you like, Hey, what, what pilot beer did you have? So you have to pick out like pilot IPA seven or, you know, stout, pilot stout three and you just give like what you think of the rating or what you think of like the beer, like, did you think it was too multi? Did you think it was not multi? Would you buy it? If it had a proper name, like stuff like that and kind of help them like kind of crowdsource, source their beers, which I think is a really, as you said, a unique idea, a lot of brews don't do that. But I asked Adam, I was like, Hey, cause I'm, I like you like new beers. And I'm like, have you ever thought about like, you know, bringing back, um, some, some beer, like I had when I first went to Labyrinth forever ago and he was like, he's like, yeah, we've thought about it. And like we get some requests every now and then and he's like, we mostly get requests from you because I've asked, it's not the first time I've ever asked about it, but, um, and it's, it's a version of turbo love juice. It's, it's, uh, it's, I'm drawing a blank on the name now. This is how long it's been since they brewed it. It's been like six or seven years, but I've asked and he's like, yeah, we could do it. However, turbo love juice is the beer that we put in cans and that we, we chip out to all the package stores. So they've got a lot of repeat business from their package stores because, you know, people who don't like to go to the brewery who want to grab a quick four pack on the way home, they, they go for turbo love juice. And that's one that, that they know sells. So it's part of their business model is to have that repeating business. So it's kind of, it's interesting how breweries are like that. I mean, you know, one of my, you know, one of the good brewers we've already named on here that's in a mill love going there. Beer is great, but it's always the same beer. Yeah. And you're like, at that point, I can just have it at home, you know? Yeah, I could just grab a four pack and drink it from home. I will say that the, what they're, in my opinion, their best beer, they don't can still in 2024. That's tough. So you got to go back, but circle back to Contra Hawking, 411 beers. There's only one, two, three, four of them that have an above a 4.0 average. Really? So the hop hype is not there for Contra Hawking, not, I think sounds like the people are wrong because you were there and you had a great, great flight. I thought it was good. I thought it was a, you know, a solid like my flight probably I would have given it like a, like a 392 rating, you know, kind of flirted with that. Like I thought the logger was just a logger, but, you know, the fruited sour was good. The, the IP or the, the stat was a little bourbon-y, little too flat, little too much in my opinion. And then the IPA was good. Yeah. So I did see they have a bunch of bar games there. How do you, how do you like, are you a big fan of like the, the games at the breweries, the bars? I didn't see any bar games. Well, I saw they had, what's the one with the pucks? Shuffleboard, like the, like the puck shuffleboard? Yeah, indoor shuffleboard. I'm, I'm a big fan of shuffleboard, but I feel like whenever I go, they never have the sand, like I can't get the board situated just right. There's like, you gotta like go and ask for the sand or like they don't have enough for, I can't get it, I'm recycling the sand. Well, I definitely know you have to recycle the sand. It's all picking up from the side and like throwing it on the, the board. Yeah. Yeah. But I, I like that game. I'm, that's my favorite bar game. That's a good one. Uh, counterweight has a, a real nice version of that game. Um, I didn't see that game. Maybe I was in a different tap room. Like I know they have a few different. Yeah, it's possible. Right. That was just a picture I saw in some of these check-ins. So. Very, very cool vibe of that place though. And it's, it's in like an old style, like mill town, like, like picture walking through Taffville with all those like duplexes that are like side by sides, like it's like that. You're wandering through the town and then bam, there's a brewery. It is, it is a weird fit. And like, because like I, my mind wanders to being in Taffville, I also don't think it's like, I was like, Oh, this can't be a very like, can't be the safest of neighborhoods. Right. Like it's not a classy joint in this, in this run down old mill. Yeah. Well, apparently I was wrong. Contra Hawkins, like one of the nicest like towns in like one of the nicest suburbs of Philadelphia. So it's just a nice like mill town and it's a lot of row houses because like that's their style of, of duplex down there, but it's, it's definitely unique, cool, cool little vibe. Contra Hawkins, give it a thumbs up. I got a cool little downtown neighborhood, like walking area. Um, they got awesome dive bar that's open till 3am. Fantastic. And like another like American pub that I took a piss in one time. That was good. But I've been to this town, I've, I've been to this town more times than, than I should without really knowing how to pronounce their town name. More times drunk than sober. Sounds like. Yes, that too. But I still should know how to pronounce the, like I've been to Philadelphia. I've been to the state of Pennsylvania six times in the past year. And I think I've been to Contra Hawkins out of those times, at least four of them. Okay. So if you were to challenge someone to a bar game, said, you know, loser buys the next round, what's your, what's your go-to game? What are you like an ace at? What do we consider bar games? Darts pool. I would accept the foosball. Um, I mean, if you said big buck hunter around in Montana, that would be an acceptable response. I mean, you were at my bachelor party. I was me and Grady ran the table at foosball. So foosball is your, your, what are you going with? Out of those that you mentioned, foosball would be my go-to. Um, would you count Mario Kart if they had like an N64 in the brewery? No, that's not a, that's not a bar game. You know, I would accept pinball because that's like, yeah, I'm terrible. You know, you have pinball tables in bars, but like, I think of like, like, there's a lot of breweries, at least in Connecticut. I don't, it doesn't sound like it's in Montana, but they buy a lot of like the cheap emulators on Amazon. And so like they put those up and you just, you can, you can play them because they have MonTVs there. So like we see a lot of that. Okay. No, that's not, that has not made it here yet. And that's one hell of a way to play. Like, like, obviously Mario Kart is everybody's go-to game, especially for playing with more than yourself. And so like drunk Mario Kart at a brewery, like drinking and driving Mario Kart into brewery is fun. Whether it's, you know, you have to take a certain amount of sips per lap and you have to put the controller down in order to do it. Or you have to hold the beer while playing, which is another fun. You can't do it with an N64 controller because it's nearly impossible, but you can do it with an NES controller. Okay, I could see that. I could see if you could put the controller down on a table, you could play with one hand. I don't know. I feel like it'd be hard to hold it with one hand. That's why you gotta, you gotta manipulate your fingers, man. I guess, are you using that hand that has a beer at all? You have to, well, you could or you could not. How are you going to press, how are you going to accelerate and steer though? That's what I'm saying. On an NES, if you have this controller flat on the table, you pink key is to your left, right, and your index finger is your A, B. That's cheating though. But, but, but if you have a, but if you can't, if you have like a big arm tied behind your back was, well, you could, I mean, you could, you could steer with, with your left hand, hold the beer in your right hand and you could on an NES controller, press A or B as your, you know, your gas. You're not, you're not drifting with your beer hand with your beer hand with your beer hand. Right. And then if you want to like fire a shell or something, like you just press it with your beer hand. Right. That's it. Yeah. Okay. I could see that more than what my first thought was behind your back. You don't want to spoil your beer. That's a party foul. No, of course not. Obviously. All right. So it's that time. We head over to our less, slightly less special, two handled frosty mug of wisdom, pull it out of the recesses of the freezer, fill it halfway up each with wisdom stuff we want to recommend to you. Jordan, take it away. Shh. Yes, you'll handle. Yes, you'll handle. Yes, you'll handle. Yes, you'll handle. Mug of wisdom. Three. Mug of wisdom. Okay. Well, thank you, Jordan. Cool, dude. You know, the missing third co-host of this podcast, Jordan. Right. The true missing third handle here. Yeah. Well, I mean, as far as I know, he's the one who's been on here the most outside of you and I. I think probably has come up with the most handles. Oh, for easily for sure. I mean, he always comes prepared. All right. Well, what, uh, the mug is yours. Would you like to start it off or would you like to hand it to me? I will go first, partly because I'm the one who has to do the outro. So if you listen to me do a handle and then the outro, it's too much for me. My handle this week is the lark water bottle. Okay. What is the lark water bottle? So we've already hit the circle with a K water bottle. What is the lark water bottle? Yeah. So circle with a K water bottle. Yeah. So circle with a K, I think is not wasn't me. I think that was Chris. No, that was, that was, I don't remember who it was a different co-host other than the two of us. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. A different one is what makes the lark water bottle so special. So the lark water bottle is one of those fancy water bottles that you see that has like the infrared light built in on the top of it. So when you press the top of the water bottle, it emits an infer or a, UV light, not an infrared has a UV light that cleans the water bottle. So it's supposedly, it's supposed to be good enough to clean 99.9% of bacteria out of your, your water, which doesn't remove heavy metals and doesn't remove anything. And they, they, they doesn't remove like, like large pathogens, but it does remove things like if you get water out of the tap and like a random bar in Philadelphia, like you're like, Oh, hopefully they clean their water. Well, now your water bottle will clean that for you. Straight from the school call. Yes. Not straight from the school. No, you don't want to drink. Lark has a different water bottle for that that has like a life straw built into it. This one has an infrared thing on it. So you can get like random, like tap water from like a bar or a restaurant and know that, Hey, I can kill the bacteria in here. And like, if you leave water in there for a couple of days, you press the button, you save to know that you're like your water bottle is not going to smell and be nothing has grown on the inside. Like it kills mold, things like that, but it doesn't like remove like pathogens out of like a stream, like a like, like a life straw would. Um, so I bought one for my travels. It's 25 ounces so far. So good. I haven't, you know, haven't caught any random diseases out of random water bottles. It still smells good. Haven't washed it outside of the first use. And, you know, overall so far, good, good little performing water bottle. What was your inspiration to buy it? I travel so much on like trains and stuff. And like, I'm like, I buy water bottles all over the place, but you know, I know places have like taps and stuff that they could like fill up your water bottle. But I'm always like, I don't have a, I don't have a water bottle to bring and B, if I did bring one of my water bottles, like I would always be kind of nervous with the water. Now that I know I can kill some of the bacteria or the growth in there, that, that makes me feel a little better. Piece of mind. Okay. But obviously you're not going to, you can't remove the chlorine taste of like gross airport water, but at least it makes you feel better about what's. So I will, I will tell you that I haven't taken it to see if it will kill the chlorine flavor yet. I don't imagine it will. Right. But I'll get back to you. UV can only do so much. Correct. Now, so it's interesting because I went for a hike a couple weeks ago and one of the guys I hike with had one of these brands that has the UV lights in it to kill the stuff. And, you know, we, in, in Glacier National Park, the really, the only thing you're worried about are those microbes. You're not worried about like the heavy metals. There's hopefully no like brain eating, mad cow disease, prions or whatever. But this is what he used for his water. And I think there was also like a filter along with it that you could use like a filter attachment sounds like. So they sell, they sell it has a one. Yeah, they sell two different brands where one has a straw in it and one has the UV light. I don't know if they sell one that's combined, maybe they do, but they have two different ones. The straw they say is like, it's like a life straw. Like it has a filter. It has a, it's like a charcoal filter. You have to suck it through it. Like it's, but instead of like the life show, we have to squeeze it out into your pack. You just pull the water through it as you're drinking it. Maybe I'm in the market for one of these things. So I will definitely look it up. They had a good deal on Amazon and I almost pulled the trigger where you bought one of the UV light larks and one of the straw larks and it was like 130 bucks and you got two water bottles. So if you wanted to try them both, you got to add a good discount. It's a lot of money for a water bottle though. It is. Yeah. And many is like 25 bucks and that'll filter whatever you throw at it. So But then you got to like transfer it. True. Yeah. There's no transfer. Yeah. No, I definitely see the advantage of the UV thing. Like I said, I've been, I've been thinking about it for a while, but I haven't pulled the trigger yet. Maybe I will. Well, that's my handle over. What is your handle this week? My handle this week is the TV show Fargo. It's, I believe it's an FX production, but I've heard really good things about, I think they're up to season five now. I just started season one. It shows, it highlights Billy Bob Thornton as like a psychopathic murderer, which is pretty funny. It, if you've seen the movie, it, it's definitely has that Cohen Brothers type of show where it's like So is it not based on the movie? It's not based on the movie. No. It is also set in that part of the country. This is set in Bemidji, Minnesota, and it takes place in the winter and it, you know, it starts off, it's a very similar plot to the movie, which I don't want to spoil if you haven't seen the movie, but you know, it's like a murder gone awry and then things kind of sprout out of control. And it does a really good job of blending like the, the absurdity of the situation lends to some pretty wild humor, but also like, you know, this is a serious drama aspect to it as well. Um, so like I said, it gives me that Cohen Brothers vibe and, uh, I started season one, I'm binging it as we speak and I know people, it's season five, I think got really good reviews this, uh, when it just finished up. So I'm like, well, season one is good and I've heard good things about at least seasons four and five. Uh, it's one I think I'm going to commit to for the long haul. So I'm enjoying it so far. Join me. Talk about it on the discord if you want, um, listeners and, uh, check out Fargo because I'm enjoying it quite a bit so far. Nice. I've been looking for a new show. So perhaps I'll have to join you on this. There you go. Yeah. If you like that, Cohen Brothers kind of absurdist nihilistic killing people and dying and best to still find the human situation, then, um, it's a good show. All right. So with that, with it, thank you for listening. Uh, we'd like to thank the Bruce who provided today's beers. I will thank concha Hawkins Brewing Company for their concha Hawkins IPA 10th anniversary event, 10th anniversary edition. And I'll thank Kettle House Brewing Company for their raspberry lemon hard seltzer with no raspberry. Uh, please make sure you head over to social media and follow us everywhere at DAWF podcast. Also make sure you hashtag file the email at DAWF podcast at gmail.com. Also make sure you head over to discord and join the live conversation over there. Tell Obert what you think about Fargo. Uh, don't know spoilers, but yeah, join the conversation there with, with him. Um, you can also head over to Patreon for his little DAW month. You get extra little episodes of drinking with friends with, uh, our pregame. Um, we didn't do it this week because we're down a co-host, um, Jordan, hurry back soon. 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I mean, that's why, that's why you should mention it to your proctologists at all times. Yeah. Maybe they can pass it along to their clients. Yeah. Just like some preventative. Well, they, they, so they wouldn't pass it along because, you know, the sicker you are, the more patients they get. Oh, they're an evil proctologist. Well, yeah. I feel like all proctologists. I, I guess, I could see how you could take that. Yeah. Exactly.